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Post by Ring Maker on Dec 28, 2007 8:21:45 GMT -5
Coach Clark,
I normally look to your posts for new insight, but showing the MLFN all american list is a fairly weak point in this thread. Please don't take this as a personal attack, because it really isn't. Everyone knows the MLFN is a hype meter. No one from the organization goes to the games. The players of the week are determined by team submissions on stats from the games. All american status is based on stats and name recognition. They are haphazardly thrown together, and with many errors to boot. Jamel Hopson making it at wr and rb (as pointed out on the mcfl board).
The real point is that the USFA is coming on strong, recruiting a mix of quality and new teams, seems to be rather organized and has been steadily improving.
The MCFL may have better teams at the top but has completely stagnated. The feeling around the region is that is a dinosaur of a league that is so egotistical that is does not even consider change. Start dates are a prime example, not having the first league meeting is another. With the folding of the Lions and demise of the Force, the league only has 2 to 3 top tier teams.
The time to sit idly by has past.
The old adage of lead, follow, or get out of the way is pertinent.
The MCFL as a league is certainly not leading, to proud to follow, so quite possibly may just get out of the way in the next few years.
RM
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Post by Coach Clark on Dec 28, 2007 9:25:00 GMT -5
Ring Maker, I agree that the MLFN has its detractors, as a popularity contest, but thats life. All polls are based on popularity, look at the Heisman, all hype and stats. BCS, AP, UPI, the voters dont go to all the games nor do they look at all the games on film that they vote for. They vote for stats, historical performance of teams, wins & losses, and personal knowledge of the teams and games. So I guess my reply is the MLFN is about as weak as the AP, UPI, Coaches Poll, ESPN Poll and any other voting mechanism that ranks or rates players or teams.
IMHO, the MCFL has better teams top to bottom than most leagues, call that hype if you want but year in year out we keep moving on. The league is not a dinosaur, and does consider change every year. Thats why we let teams in with no league fee's the first year. That program was successful but its tough to get teams that are the quality of the Force, or the Ravens to step up to a higher level of play.
I dont think your counterpoint of "hype" holds water, nor do I think the MCFL is in demise, it's a league run by the owners of the teams not an omnipitant one intent on lining his own pockets under the title of commissioner, prone to bias and favoritism as we have so often seen in other leagues. You have never heard about teams being left out of the playoffs unexplicably (Admirals) because some other team was put in. You never hear about a team that refuses a playoff bid to have their own post season(Racine Raiders). The team owners cant complain about the management because they are the management.
I find the more likely reason that teams dont join the MCFL is that they arent ready for the level of competition this league offers! In a recruiting discussion with one very successful team, I heard this; "Coach we'd love to join your league, but we dont want to take three losses (Seminoles,Ravens,Lions or Force) and lose sponsor dollars, our fans dont know we play in a AA league, all they know is we win our games and they come to buy tickets. So why should I join the MCFL and lose sponsor dollars and spectators by losing 3 or 4 games minimum?" he goes on to say: "That is best case, then we find its a coin flip with the rest of the teams."
Now that is not hype, It came to my ears in probably one of the most honest and straightforward responses to our recruiting efforts I have heard.
Where I'm going with this thing is this...The MCFL is a victim of its own success, rarely if ever does a team go thru this league undefeated. Which means some very good teams have 3 or 4 losses in a season. Thats not an indication of a bad team in this league, rather a barometer of the level of play. The owners ply the moniker that if it aint broke dont fix it. The Lions will be back, I am comfortable with that and the MCFL will continue to grow with the "best of the best" and I am proud to say I coach in this league.
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Post by Coach Clark on Dec 28, 2007 9:46:47 GMT -5
In addition to the remarks above I just noticed that the Lima Warriors website touts them as the "MLFN AA National Champion". If the MLFN has no credibility what up with that? Ring Maker I think you need to redo your counterpoint.
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Post by IRV CROSS on Dec 28, 2007 9:49:58 GMT -5
Coach Clark...I think your a good mcfl spokesmen, and in noway is this a personnel attack I think your a stand up guy, your league is good but, I think the the warriors or the the jags of the usfa could play with any team in your league, and like any league you have good teams okay teams and bad teams I think your team in the usfa would be some where in the middle or close to the bottom so why keep thinking the mcfl is better then the usfa when its not,THE usfa is ran better the its making moves getting stronger teams and the commish keeps the website updated .
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Post by Fury 40 on Dec 28, 2007 12:04:56 GMT -5
Hello all I'm a member the Fury a team thats has been on the bottom of the MCFL since we joined the league. Saying that I want to say I agree with Coach Clark about the MCFL victim of our own success. Like Coach I try to do recruiting for the league with limited to no luck. No one wants to join for different reasons I also heard that reason from an unnamed team it is honest but weak. I feel that the teams joining the USFA are quality teams and would have made good additions to the MCFL but the truth is they are not and some of the excuses are flimsy if these teams joined the MCFL then they are running the league like everyone else. One team one vote, if they want to change the start of the season they could bring it up and put it to a vote never know what my happen. If the teams can hold there own in the league give it a try stop making excuses. We face some problem this upcoming season but I feel we will meet those challenges head on and over come them.
Fury 40
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Post by Coach Clark on Dec 28, 2007 12:19:48 GMT -5
Well Irv, I would have to agree on the website thing, we dont do a good job of that. And I do agree that the Warriors and the Jags could compete in our league. With regard to how the T-Wolves would fare in the USFA, I have to disagree. We are not up to the standards of the Noles or Ravens yet, but our win loss record is decieving in that we lost to the Ravens, Noles, and Force. We did get beat by the Mustangs and gave one away in Ky. That being said all is not as bad as it seems. Our starting QB got knocked out in the second qtr against the Noles and we still managed to throw up 21 on them. We lost our center against the Ravens, but I dont think that would have made a big difference, just makes me feel better in light of the butt whoopen we took. We led the Force deep into the 4th quarter and lost with 8 seconds remaining to Tokar and company. Ok that gives us three losses, how many teams in the USFA would come out of that any better?
Perhaps your right, the T-Wolves might be a middle of the pack team, I would be happy to take on all comers in preseason. And no were not changing our start date. The USFA can change theirs, we were here first.
By the way...gotta link to the USFA website?
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Post by fury 40 on Dec 28, 2007 12:46:14 GMT -5
By the way the Fury will play anyone from the USFA aslo just give me a call or call chuck.
Fury 40
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Post by Clayton on Dec 28, 2007 12:54:10 GMT -5
Coach it's www.theusfa.comI think your on tracj there coach. However I would love to seem the MCFL take on some new teams, but I know it's hard to find that caliber of a team to up the league. I also know where your coming from with the conversation about recruiting. Since I'm not returning to the Force this season I've talk to several other teams. Straight from 2 owners of new teams, they wouldn't even consider the MCFL cause being a new team they don't want to loose that many games and drive their talent and fans away before even getting off the ground. i say drive them away because they know it will be tougher to win games there. These are guys that have been around, played in many different conference's and lnow the comp. So that says something about the MCFL right there! |
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Post by usfa on Dec 28, 2007 13:00:57 GMT -5
To be honest. The usfa just got deeper, not better. I think there are two teams out of the new michigan usfa teams that are close to elite. And why would the noles and ravens come to the usfa. Most michigan teams have dodged them on purpose, or got destroyed when they played them. So go chase the teams that really dont want to play em. I dont think so.
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Post by Clayton on Dec 28, 2007 13:08:51 GMT -5
What Michigan teams have dodged Lima or any other USFA? Lima played who in Michigan? I've seen them play teams like the Punishers a few years ago, but never any big name teams.
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Post by pigskin on Dec 28, 2007 13:23:04 GMT -5
I was lookin at the mlfn all-americans and I was wondering can anyone tell me who the heck is demarr davis and jared hoover from the ravens, just wondering sinc they made first team(davis at lb) and(hoover as the all-purpose guy). I see they have bell third team wow
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Post by Ring Maker on Dec 28, 2007 13:45:12 GMT -5
Coach Clark,
The problem with the MCFL was demonstrated in one comment you made. "We were here first, why should we change?"
The MCFL has the highest quality teams. No one can disagree with that. It's the quality of the league and how it's run that was being debated. I know some ppl tossed in the Twolves this and Lima that but that's inconsequential.
The League itself has to realize there are ways to improve and aggressively attack them. How can their be a vote when there hasnt even been a league meeting yet? Teams that want to vote on the issue of moving the season up cant set up a pre-season schedule bc they dont know if the start date will move. New teams have not had a chance to make their pitch (if any want to come in ) so how many league games there will be is not set.
And on the mcfl board, when the date for league meeting was asked about, it was very casually discarded as 'after the year won't hurt anyone'. The truth is that it will. Having everything set up in January gives the teams a good chance to solicit sponsors when field related activities are at a minimum.
The mcfl needs to come out of its isolationist bubble and realize great teams do not make a good league. There is more than just quality of competition involved.
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Post by QT on Dec 28, 2007 13:53:12 GMT -5
The mcfl is fine the way they are. Big boys dont adjust for lil boys. Lil boys adjust for big boys.
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Post by which on Dec 28, 2007 14:02:09 GMT -5
and which one are you?  |
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Post by QT on Dec 28, 2007 14:20:29 GMT -5
Um...I'm down south chillin ;D
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