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Post by CD28 on Dec 10, 2007 17:04:22 GMT -5
i think it is blown way out of proportion. i know its illegal and somewhat immoral fighting and killing dogs but i don't think its the worst thing in the world. leonard little killed someone in a drunk driving crash and got less than that and. 23 months is a long time.
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Post by vic4hogs on Dec 10, 2007 17:52:41 GMT -5
let Mr. Outspoken speak. I closed my eyes and pictured Vick drowning my dog , but then a because I thank god it wasn't my niece, nephew or any of the worlds family members. Is 23 months to much, NO. Is it not harsh enough, No. He broke the law and by no means am I justifying what Vick did, but let me ask some of my black elder statesmen Coach Bal, Coach Dink, ect.... aren't you tired of listen, reading, or hearing about our young black men killing each other over drugs, liquor, Women,rims,cars, NOTHING basically!!! ummmmm thats what I thought. Since you want to picture things put 2 hands up put Humans in one hand, Dogs in another. When I weigh them out humans always way more to (me). My point is until the world starts worrying about Black on Black Crime, don't tell me about know D=a=m dog fighting because it is just is a (SMALL) thing in this world compared to the real problems. Like Coach Bal said our troops are over there dying and we have know clue why, But hey Mike Vick killed some D-a-m dogs. wait 2 Black Kids were found dead in a house shot to death over drug money(forget about the killers), Mike Vick hung some dogs, lets get his a$5. This world is all messed up because the more I hear people talk the more it seems to me that Dogs are more important than Black people or any minority. Hey just my opinion. Also this is just another opinion I have you can smoke cigarettes (they kill) and leave your family broke, but you cant smoke crack (it also kills) and leaves your family broke umm. You can Hunt Dear, Birds, Squirrels, Raccoons, ect... and they harm nobody! but you cant fight a bit bull who's the cause of a # of death's and close deaths each year umm. If you ask me this world is all F-u-c-ked up! Just think about that for a second. Happy Holidays to you all.
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Post by whitelightning on Dec 10, 2007 17:53:04 GMT -5
He also failed a drug test during trial, and lied to the judge. He got every thing he deserves. Lets hope others take note and throw the book at these "famous" people who get caught doing stupid stuff. There are others that should be headed in with him.
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Post by observer on Dec 10, 2007 18:15:53 GMT -5
i think it is blown way out of proportion. i know its illegal and somewhat immoral fighting and killing dogs but i don't think its the worst thing in the world. leonard little killed someone in a drunk driving crash and got less than that and. 23 months is a long time. He was also aiding and establishing a gambling operation that crossed state lines and that makes him a target for the RICO act and brought the feds in and thats why he took a plea bargain. He got off easy, because the minimum sentencing for RICO act convictions is HARSH and he was a goner and he knew it if he decided to go to trial. He will also face State charges so he isn't done with jail time even when this tour of cells is up. He pleaded to lessor charges to avoid a racketeering charge that would have gotten him 10-20. Not to mention the 20 mil the Falsons want back. Can't do the time, then don't do the crime.
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Post by WORD on Dec 10, 2007 19:32:54 GMT -5
Down South... I'm sorry, but that wasn't ignorant talk... I mean, I have an idea what you are trying to say and in a sense agree... But you aren't looking at the whole picture, all you are doing is looking at a small little box in the middle of it all... You start popping off about black on black crime.. what the f u c k... STOP KILLING EACH OTHER THEN, crap. The black person that just killed that other black person had a choice not to kill him or try killing one another, however, that Pit didn't choose his owner, he didn't choose for his owner to lock him in a cage, starve him and beat the crap out of him then feed him some raw butt meat... That pit didn't choose to get thrown in a ring with another pit to fight for our f u c king entertainment. That pit didn't choose to be a gambling pawn, but that pit sure as shyte chose to protect itself from dieing and fought back. Yeah, its legal to hunt them animals you spoke of, however, there are rules and laws when hunting them animals... these are also wild animals, which we don't have control in their breeding, that's why they allow hunting; to control the population.. But, break one of them hunting rules thats been established and you are going to face some punishment (probably jail time). Hunting is a primative form of life and survival... all wild animals do it, and essentially we are wild animals, so to compare hunting wild animals to forcing pits (who are not wild animals, meaning they don't live out in the world on their own, hunting other wild animals to survive) who are pets, animals who are considered "mans" best friend, yet man wants to kill em for entertainment and money... F U C K THEM... if they want to gamble and train to fight for money, maybe they should step in the ring instead. Ya feel me!
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Post by opinion on Dec 10, 2007 20:32:26 GMT -5
Also, lying to the sentencing judge doesn't help yur cause either, he got caught with a failed drug test while awaiting sentencing and a couple other idiotic moves. He gets three years of closely supervised probation which includes extensive drug and alcohol testing and revealing anything and everything he does to a parole officer. One toke of the weed and he goes back to prison so the party ain;t over even after he gets out.
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Post by Optimus Prime on Dec 10, 2007 21:59:04 GMT -5
OPT, you are an idiot... even if what you say is true about your family.... First off, it was your brothers choice to go and join whatever service he did... it was the government that trained him as best the could to prevent him from getting killed, which is true to this point, so be thinkful they did train him!!! These dogs are only killers and terrors, so to speak, because we make them that way... these dogs are breed, raised and trained to fight... they weren't born that way... These dogs are one of the most people friendly dogs and they say are great around kids... That is, unless the wrong dumb monkey lover gets a hold of them and trains them to fight, like that jackbutt Vick. These animals don't really have a choice in the matter, they are depending on us to care for them, and we betray them by forcing them to fight and kill or get killed... what would you do... if it was a kill or be killed situation? Everyone wants to survive, even these dogs, its only human and animal nature to survive... its a shame, I think the illegitimate child should get more time... I just hope you gets his while in prison... Prick is a horrible QB anyway, wouldn't have been long before he was looking for a new job! OK Mr. Word, I feel you and yes even though your calling me names I respect your opinion, but thats not going to change my mind about those dogs. Am I going to call you names and things like that no, I'm going to read your opinion and move on. And yes everything I say is true, I don't have lie about my family or anything else for any reason so what I told you is true, if I could tell what I did to the dog that attacked my sister I would, but I don't want yall to call the police on me. Like I said I respect your opinion and love for pitbulls, I hope you love and care for them, but I have a real hate for those dogs me being an IDIOT OR A COLLEGE GRADUATE. So I'm asking you as a man to stop calling me names.
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Post by TOO MUCH TIME on Dec 10, 2007 23:56:17 GMT -5
MIKE VICK GOT TOO MUCH TIME!!! BOTTOM LINE, IF IT WASN'T MIKE VICK OR ANY OTHER FAMOUS PERSON, IT WOULDN'T EVEN MATTERED HOW MUCH TIME THAT PERSON GOT. FOR ALL YOU SO CALL DOG LOVERS, CHECK THE HISTORY OF ALL YOUR PIT BULLS TERRIERS. THEY WERE BREED FROR THAT REASON. TO GATHER THE BULLS IN THE FIELD. NOW, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A FULL GROWN BULL IN PERSON, THATS A MAJOR SIGHT!!!!!! POWER, STRENGTH, SPEED AND MEANESS. NOW, YOU CAN'T ANY PUNK A.S.S. DOG TRYING TO BRING THOSE ANIMALS IN. YOU NEED SOMETHING, THATS FEARLESS, STRONG MIND, FAST AND NOT WILLING TO QUIT. SO MATTER WHAT YOU BRRED, ITS IN THEIR NATURE TO BE AGGRESSIVE, FAST, MEAN AND NOT A QUITER. I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT MOST POSTERS AND READERS ON THIS SITE PLAY FOOTBALL. AND AS A FOOTBALL PLAYER, ITS IN YOUR BLOOD, YOUR FATHERS BLOOD, YOUR GRANDFATHERS BLOOD AND SO ON AND SO.... TO BE A FOOTBALL PLAYER. SO ITS IN ALL PURE BREED PIT BULLS TO BE AGGRESSIVE, ATTACKERS AND MEAN. SO THATS BULLS.H.I.T ABOUT HOW YOU RAISE THEM. KEEP IT REAL
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Post by WORD on Dec 11, 2007 0:16:12 GMT -5
You're an idiot, and it's clear you have no clue what you are talking about. I dont even have time right now to explain how ignorant you are. Did you even notice the other 3 or 4 breeds of dogs that prick had locked up at his home? They sure as shyte wasn't no "aggressive", fighting type dogs...
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Post by TOO MUCH TIME on Dec 11, 2007 1:11:11 GMT -5
WORD, WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER DOGS!!!! WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MAIN DOG, BUMB A.S.S WHICH IS THE PIT BULLS THAT HE WAS FIGHTING. I AGREE HE WAS WRONG FOR KILLING THE DOGS, BUT IM FIGURING YOUR A DOG OWNER AND LOVER SO YOUR THE TYPE OF DUMB F.U.CK. THAT WILL GET THE DOG OUT OF THE DOG RESCUE AND GET HIM AROUND YOUR KIDS AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE CRAZY F.U.C.K.E.R. GOES NUTS AND MAUL ONE OF YOUR KIDS OR ANOTHER PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY AND YOUR STUPID A.S.S. IS ON THE NEWS TALKING ABOUT HOW GOOD THE PET WAS AT FIRST AND WE GOT THEM FROM A WELL KNOWN BREEDER. MIKE VICK DID THE CORRECT THING BY PUTTING THEM DOGS DOWN. ONLY THING, IS THAT HE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT. HE SHOUD HAVE HAD ONE OF THE OTHER GUYS DO IT!!!!! IF IT WERE ME AND I'M A BREEDER AND ONE OF THE DOGS I GAVE AWAY HURT SOMEONE, I WOULD FEEL REALLY BAD FOR THE PERSON!!!!! ITS ONLY A ^UCK7NG DOG!!!!!!! SO YOUR THE IDIOT!!!!!!
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Post by Clayton on Dec 11, 2007 2:30:40 GMT -5
Mike Vick got too much time huh? I don't see any of you talking about the guy from Alabama that got 102 years for dog fighting. He was sentenced before Vick was. You can say it's causes he's famous, but a common person got WAY more time than M. Vick did!
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Post by Legal Eagle on Dec 11, 2007 8:45:30 GMT -5
Having played minor league football for about 7 years and mid major college football and now a practicing attorney. First, pit bulls are aggressive dogs with proper training and love can be good pets. All kinds of dogs have turned on children including poodles.
I agree on Leonard Little. He should never been allowed to play pro football again. He killed an innocent mother because he was drinking and driving and second he was arrested again after he got out for drinking and driving. He should have gone to prison for 20 years on that alone.
If he killed your wife or child you would have went after him yourself.
On dog fighting, that is what they do in the south and southwest like moon shining. They should have looked into this years ago so the Vick case has brought light to this world of dog fighting. Torturing animals is wrong and though not as serious as doing it to people it is still a vile act.
I agree they could have got him on the Rico. Vick got what he deserved fro several reasons. He lied to the FBI, to the judge, to the owner of the Falcons and the Commissioner of the NFL Roger Goodell. He tested positive for drugs, yes I know it was marijuana but he was told he was going to be tested and he was still an idiot for doing drugs. They gave him many chances to come clean and he did not. He has no one to blame but himself.
He will lose over 100 million in revenue because he was arrogant and thought he was above the law. If he would have come clean and been up front and not done drugs, he would have got less then a year and could have played in 2009. he made roughly over 100 K for his dog fighting ring and was the MAN to all his street thug punks. Well do the math, he betrayed his team-mates, his family and the general public by all of his actions. I hope he understands he lost all of his credibility, over 150 million in revenue and he will never be 100 per cent Michael Vick when he gets back. I do believe he deserves a second chance when he pays his dues and I hope people will forgive him if he admits how bad the decisions he made. He does have many good qualities. It is the bad ones that brought him down. I know after 12 months, his attorneys will appeal for leniency because he has been a model prisoner and he may get out in 15-18 months. Only time will tell. Bottom line, never lie to the FBI or your teammates or family or the Judge. Does not matter how much money you have.. He still has the state charges hanging over his head. Hopefully they run concurrently with the Federal time. The Feds are different then the state. They do not forgive as easily and you do most of the time you are sentenced to.
I know some idiotic people are saying ease up they are only dogs.
Tell that to every pet lover worldwide. Dogs have saved many of lives and have brought much joy to many households. We have 2 dogs and my 4 children would be devastated if something happen to our dogs. They are loved and treated well and they have brought much joy to our family. I would beat Michael Vick's A-- if he hurt our dogs.
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Post by WORD on Dec 11, 2007 12:22:19 GMT -5
Aight, I got you bytch.... You can eat a d i c k... I don't own any fu ckn animals, except your momma and I ain't got no kids... less your momma didn't tell me about you!?. I'm speaking from sheer knowledge and a clear mind on the subject... I have no bias for or against dogs of any nature. its just a simple fu kn answer, you got what he deserved and I hope that 23 months clears his head, but since he's an idiot anyway, he'll probably just start setting up prision fights and gamble on that instead. Then you talk about how Vick did a good thing..> WHAT, back up... a good thing, how the fu k did he do a good thing, oh, he killed some dogs because his dumb butt trained them to be killers and they either lost and he killed em or they were so beat to heck, he killed him... Mother f'er wouldn't had to kill them if he let the fukers alone in the first place... Did you see all them puppies he had, them fukers didn't know how to kill yet, but his butt would have gotten em to that point, then killed them too.. what the fuk for.. prick ain't got enough money or what? FUK VICK, I hope he rots, FUK you for thinking he did a good thing and FUk all the other pricks out there doing the same shyte.
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Post by you said you wouldnt on Dec 11, 2007 15:07:03 GMT -5
Big fella you said that U would not fuel any fire and i see ur sticking to it. One thing though, I feel you, but don't hold that kind of hate for anything man or animal. Holla at ya later to drink brews. This is to Bal
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Post by Dumb Dogs on Dec 11, 2007 16:29:42 GMT -5
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/04/MNGCUD3O661.DTLRead the article @ the link. Pit bulls are bread to fight for a reason! Because they have a viciouse gene! No matter how a pitt is raised it has the potential to turn in a instant! Something as small as a child staring a pitt down can cause it to attack! You don't see people fighting other breeds as often as they do pitts! These dogs have earned their reputation as killers!
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