PLAYERS NOT GETTING CLOCK

[JIMMY THE GREEK]

Why do players that could start on other teams or get major clock ride the bench and dont see the field just to say I play for the raven's or seminole's as good as a seasons that the wolverines had they could use some db's. The soldiers need lineman and im sure the gator's N gade's could add piece's to thier puzzle's as well. LETS STAY POSITIVE ON THIS ONE PEOPLE.

[Starter and a sub]

Nice recruiting Speach

So lets break it down

Why do players that could start on other teams or get major clock ride the bench and dont see the field just to say I play for the raven's or seminole's

Translation your subs are better than our starters please come play for us.

as good as a seasons that the wolverines had they could use some db's

Translation: I wont say it to thier face caus i know it aint true i just dont like those guys so they not good

The soldiers need lineman

No comment all teams need lineman at some time or another

gator's N gade's could add piece's to thier puzzle's as well.

Puzzle man they need the box top before they can talk about a pice

[ravenol]

Puzzle man they need the box top before they can talk about a pice

THIS IS A GOOD ONE LOL

[Laffinsilli]

Why do players sit the bench? Come on now..any team is only as good as it's back ups. Obviously posted by someone who doesn't go to practices. It's the matchups during practice that make any team better, and as such the better player plays the game but only because the guy sitting the bench raised the level of playing. THATS PART OF BEING A TEAM!! GO TEAM

[DEBO]

But shouldn't it come a point where players should wanna start or compete for a starting job I dont know to much about the ravens but Ive see players sit on the noles bench for years this is semi pro were only playing for the love of the game.at least in the pro's back up's or 3rd teamers get paid to sit.

[M.D.W. #86]

Ridin the wood when you feel you should be playing should do nuthing less than motivate the poop out of a good player. I rode the bench all last year for the first time ever. That poop nearly took my life. So i grabbed a good hold of my n u t s and start working out a few months earlier and way harder than last year.

So basicly quit whining like a lil wench and prove to ur coach that you are clearly the best at ur position, be so good that you make him play you and that will settle all that gettin clock poop !

peace god

[Haternation]

To say you play for a team like the Seminoles, who people may have heard of, goes much further than to say you play for another two-bit team. DUH!

[Batman 21]

This one is easy...........If you got time READ THIS.

Sometimes....just sometimes players believe in the TEAM concept and being a part of something BIGGER then SELF and greater as a WHOLE. If you notice the common denominator that you mention through example - about players sitting on the Ravens and Noles bench - that those 2 teams just happen to be the #1 and #2 team in the state and arguably the MIDWEST. The Ravens are the best team in the state and the Noles have been for the last decade. Those factors are not through random selection or dismissed as mere coincidence. The sacrifice of self for the betterment of greater WHOLE always is a better product. See 07 New England Patriots for reference.

Yes, from a logical sense it would seem DUMB or STUPID for a player that doesn't get paid that feels he's "too" talented to be sitting on a good/great teams bench to choose the option of playing for maybe a lessor power team for the "SELF" satisfaction of more playing time and clock as a starter - but that thought process is SELFISH and flawed when you assemble a team of very talented ball players working for the common goal of TEAM and a CHAMPIONSHIP. Everyone cannot start so the mental discipline on a GREAT TEAM has to be focused on if we are to win a championship my greatest sacrifice has to be - SELF!!! I respect the coaches and respect my teamates....if I only get 3 plays on special teams a game on a GREAT CHAMPIONSHIP team, then it's worth the value of STARTING on a crappy team of T'O's (Terrell Owens me-me).

Listen here all you young talented guys that play this game. A great semi-pro coach in Detroit History once told me - YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET PAID MONEY - to act like a PRO. The game of football on any level - when you put on pads and a helmet - is a privilege to play and you must treat and respect as such. The worst kind of player and cancer on a team is a guy that feels he's better then the next guy - or starter - and LET'S EVERYONE KNOW IT! I tell players with that mentality all the time that CREAM always rises to the top - and if you are truly as talented as you SAY - you won't have to SAY IT.......you will show it.

You can take this on any level of LIFE. How you discipline yourself on dealing with the mentality of "SELF" is what separates winners from losers in every facet of life. Sometimes to achieve the greatest rewards of LIFE....kids, marriage, financial success and even something as simple as FOOTBALL - the ultimate sacrifice is SELF.

The greatest player in Michigan semi-pro history and arguably semi-pro PERIOD in his first full year coming out of Grand Valley State University as an All American QB - yep....ROBERT HUNT...played, get this special teams the entire regular season in semi-pro football for Detroit Bucs. How do I know....I played with him on that same special teams. Yes, Robert and I could have went to a few other lessor strength teams and been GRIDIRON GODS - but we rather have been on a team of good veteran, established players that had a GOOD STRONG nucleus and the talent to win a championship. Like Robert, I knew I was better then the starting DB...yet, I never said a word. Hunt just ran down on special teams being a complete VIKING - giving 30 seconds of FURY. As for me, I was right on the bench all season too waiting for my opportunity. I was RAH-RAH on every good or even bad play he made because I knew what ever this guy did on the field was either correlative to me winning a championship. My job was to not talk behind his back or slander him......"D.a.m.n...that guy sucks" - that wouldn't benefit the STARTER or more importantly - THE TEAM. My job was to pick him up whether it be by noticing something WR was doing or just verbal encouragement. It would have been very easy to go play for someone else or a lessor team to be a starter...but what would that accomplish in my own mental satisfaction and psyche of PLAYING with the BEST TEAM and the best ballers. I would be basically saying - I'm not good enough to compete.

My best example of sacrifice from a professional since was Steve Young - Hall of Fame QB - for SF 49ers. Young sacrificed at least 5-6 years of the PRIME of his qb life playing backup QB for the 49ers behind legendary Joe Montana. Anybody that knows this story knows Young was easily the second best QB in the NFL - and in many NFL minds some even argued BETTER than Montana during the twilight of Joe's career. Young, knew that he was playing on a SUPERBOWL level team, and though he could have gotten the BRINKS truck from any other team - he chose the ULTIMATE sacrifice of SELF for the betterment of winning rings. For the other side of that coin count how many Superbowl rings T.O. has for reference.

NUFF SAID!!!

[Laffinsilli]

YUP!!

[Coach Clark]

Counterpoint

While I wholeheartedly agree with Bat as it relates to pt on a great team, pine surfing is not a championship team exclusive. All good coaches know your only as good as your bench. ALSO, there are situational players for every team we play. When you play an SEC style offense, you cant put in a Big ten defense, and vice versa. You need role players that arent afraid to fill a role and be ready when called upon. This is prevalent in college and the NFL. Which means that instead of 11 starters you might have 18 or 20 on each side of the ball.

You will also have players that (and we preach this) get hurt, (last year our team Dr, did 5 surgeries!)get married, have work committments, wife committments, kids committments, or whatever. Or some days the starter just dosent get it done! You are only 1 play away from heating up the pads literally! I can easily see making use of 65-70 guys thru the season.

In our league which is tougher than most the pine dosent carry the stigma of other leagues or teams (IMHO). But I do understand that studs dont like to be left in the stable when the race is going on, but at the end of the day there is no I in team and this aint Pop Warner where everone is entitled to play just for showing up. Were here to compete as a team and we still have to play the best 11 guys for that down. Might not be the same 11 guys as the down before but in the judgement of the coach the best 11 right now.

The message: pick a team and stay there, if your not good enough to start, find your best shot at whatever position and ball out, hopefully the coaches will notice you. If they dont, come back again till they do! Don't get that "coach dosent know what he's doin" attitude and start jumpin teams. That never helps. Robert Hunt has been with how many teams? Steve Young? Bret Farve? At the end of the day you will come out on top.

[THINK LOGICALLY FELLAS]

At the end of the day, my big salary for being the best at my position will pay WAAYYYYYYYYYY more bills than saying I have a championship ring by riding the bench for the Patriots. He wants a ring, but a ring doesn't matter when you retire and wasted years of your life playing cheerleader and never got a big contract to support you when your 60.

So in semi-pro terms, if I aint getting paid, I DEFINETLY aint about to ride pine just to say I'm a part of this team. If anything I'll play for a team that plays your squad so I can show you and the coaches what you passes on. IE...... Randy Moss (Lions could have had him), Devin Hestor (Many teams could have had him), Oh Im forgetting one TOM BRADY.

Why ride pine if you dont have to??? I guess you could say "I aint good enough to compete so I left the team to start for a lessor squad" or you can say "I KNOW I HAVE THE SKILLS TO START ON JUST ABOUT ANY TEAM SO WHY STAY HERE AND HAVE A BUTT KISSING CONTEST SO I GET P.T."

I think its more exciting for your grandkids to hear, "I killed everyone on the field by doing this, this, this and this. We lost but I played my heart out and never gave up".

They dont wanna hear, "Yeah ya ol grandpa got this ring in 20** by watching my boys kill the competition. You should have seen how hard I cheered. No one was louder than your ol grandpa".

[lol]

coachclark said:

Counterpoint

While I wholeheartedly agree with Bat as it relates to pt on a great team, pine surfing is not a championship team exclusive. All good coaches know your only as good as your bench. ALSO, there are situational players for every team we play. When you play an SEC style offense, you cant put in a Big ten defense, and vice versa. You need role players that arent afraid to fill a role and be ready when called upon. This is prevalent in college and the NFL. Which means that instead of 11 starters you might have 18 or 20 on each side of the ball.

You will also have players that (and we preach this) get hurt, (last year our team Dr, did 5 surgeries!)get married, have work committments, wife committments, kids committments, or whatever. Or some days the starter just dosent get it done! You are only 1 play away from heating up the pads literally! I can easily see making use of 65-70 guys thru the season.

In our league which is tougher than most the pine dosent carry the stigma of other leagues or teams (IMHO). But I do understand that studs dont like to be left in the stable when the race is going on, but at the end of the day there is no I in team and this aint Pop Warner where everone is entitled to play just for showing up. Were here to compete as a team and we still have to play the best 11 guys for that down. Might not be the same 11 guys as the down before but in the judgement of the coach the best 11 right now.

The message: pick a team and stay there, if your not good enough to start, find your best shot at whatever position and ball out, hopefully the coaches will notice you. If they dont, come back again till they do! Don't get that "coach dosent know what he's doin" attitude and start jumpin teams. That never helps. Robert Hunt has been with how many teams? Steve Young? Bret Farve? At the end of the day you will come out on top.

Bench players do a lot.

THEY PROVIDE PLAYER FEES TO HELP RUN THE TEAM WHEN STARTERS DONT PAY AND COACHES ARE TOO SCARED TO MAN UP AND GET THE MONEY FROM THEM, LOL.

Anyway, I hope you players that do have skill, get a chance to show it. Like the guy before me said. A lot of this is just a butt kissing contest. Its just part of sports, period.

[swamee1]

JIMMY said:

Why do players that could start on other teams or get major clock ride the bench and dont see the field just to say I play for the raven's or seminole's as good as a seasons that the wolverines had they could use some db's. The soldiers need lineman and im sure the gator's N gade's could add piece's to thier puzzle's as well. LETS STAY POSITIVE ON THIS ONE PEOPLE.

Down here in the Lou that is a good question as well.. build it and they will come..

Guys had left and came back simply because sports reveal character not build it...

Would you play qb behind a makeshift line of RB's and fatbackers who don't know the plays? Would you rather be a part of something special that took even that role player behind them to push them into being a better starter in order to compete at a higher level. Would you rather pony up gas money and get your butt handed to you after a 4 hour drive or ride on a chartered bus and win?

Being a part of a team is just as important as playing on one....

Would you rather be a stellar DB locking up your guy but the other three DB's are getting roasted and guess what? You are still a part of that secondary....

Winning and Organization would simply be my answer..

[Optimus Prime]

Back ups. Other than some positions its all depends on the game plan to determine who is going to start. Back ups are the most important guys on the team for several reasons, 1. most back ups play special teams (the most important group on a football team), 2. Back up need to be able to come into a football game and the team should not miss a beat, 3. like my man up top said back ups prepare the guys who will be starting. Back ups, subs, bench riders or whatever guys want to call them, they are big time for a football team. They are expected to prepare the other guys,they are expected to perform themselves with no let down so tome those guy deserve the praise.

[on point]

THEY PROVIDE PLAYER FEES TO HELP RUN THE TEAM WHEN STARTERS DONT PAY AND COACHES ARE TOO SCARED TO MAN UP AND GET THE MONEY FROM THEM, LOL.


SO SO TRUE! That has been the best point made in this whole argument! LOL. Sometimes... JUST SOMETIMES, its about favoritism and not skill.